Blogs By FansC70 At The Bat
Sponsor
Cardinals_WideSkyscraper.jpg

Baseball Schedule is your best source for the latest St Louis Cardinals Schedule information as well as keeping up with division rivals including Cubs Schedule, Reds Schedule, Brewers Schedule and Astros Schedule.

Bet on the Cardinals with Sports Interaction's MLB betting lines


Slots Galore Casino Tournaments

Get your tickets from Bubba! Cheap St. Louis Cardinals Tickets and more, including tickets for the next MLB All-Star Game. Bubba's got Boston Red Sox Tickets and New York Yankees Tickets

Subscribe
RSS Feed

Archives

Players

Categories


Alliance tickets has an extensive inventory of St. Louis Cardinals Tickets , Colorado Rockies Tickets, San Francisco Giants Tickets and Seattle MarinersTickets.

With all of the St Louis tickets out there, Cardinals tickets and Rams tickets make for great presents. GoTickets.com can fill all of your sports tickets needs, just check out our testimonials

Number Crunching

Posted on September 27, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Filed Under: St. Louis Cardinals

OK, after doing the daydreaming yesterday, I thought I'd see if Santana would even fit into the budget. I was a little encouraged to hear Bill DeWitt say that they were increasing payroll by some amount anyway, but would make a significant increase for the right player. Surely, we can agree that Santana would fit that description.

Problem is, I'm not much on projections, at least salary-wise. So please let me know where you think I'm too low on any estimates. The actual numbers are taken from Cot's website.



Scroll Down to Continue Reading





















































































































































Pos Player Salary
C Molina 2.00
C BoBC 0.50
1B Pujols 13.00
2B Kennedy 3.50
3B Rolen 12.00
SS Ryan 0.40
INF Miles 2.00
INF Speizio 2.30
LF Encarnacion 6.50
CF Edmonds 8.00
RF Ankiel 2.00
OF Ludwick 0.40
OF Schumaker 0.60
SP Wainwright 4.00
SP Looper 5.50
SP Santana 13.50
SP Thompson 0.60
SP Pineiro 3.00
RP Franklin 2.25
RP Flores 1.00
RP Johnson 0.60
RP Kinney 0.50
RP Springer 1.00
RP Perez 0.40
CP Isringhausen 8.00
DL Mulder 6.50
DL Carpenter 10.50
Total 110.55

OK, first off, all the numbers bolded are estimates or assumptions.  Some of which are as follows:

  • I figure they'll try to lock up Molina to a long term deal this offseason, especially (as this exercise assumes) if they trade Bryan Anderson.  I was guessing a 3 year deal for $6, but that easily could go higher.  It'll be backloaded as well, most likely.

  • BoBC=Brotherhood of Backup Catchers.  Maybe Bennett, maybe someone else.

  • Players like Ryan, Ludwick, Schumaker, Thompson, Johnson, and Kinney are under Cardinal control and shouldn't get much of a bump from this year's salary.  I don't think any of them will be under consideration for a longer deal.

  • I would think they'd look to keep Wainwright out of arbitration and buy out a few of those years.  I had $12 million over 3 years, but it might go longer or be higher (or both).  Again, though, they'd probably do some backloading.

  • Wasn't sure how much Pineiro or Springer would resign for.  Gave it a rough guess.

  • Didn't add any deferred money into the calculation, because I've seen discussions before that the Cardinals consider payroll what they pay out in that year, not including the amounts they set aside to pay later.

  • I added Mulder and Carpenter to the payroll.  Mulder especially because he should be pitching by May.  Carpenter's contract may get covered by insurance this year, but I don't know how much would be paid by the insurance company.

  • I put Encarnacion in there as well, but if he can't play, I'm sure the Cardinals will have some recourse there as well.

  • Bennett and Taguchi have buyouts, but they don't total more than $25K, I don't think.


There you have it.  If this is even in the ballpark, adding Santana wouldn't do irreparable damage to the budget, at least not for 2008.  The Cardinals would definitely be going with the "studs and scrubs" philosophy, but with so many young guys able to contribute, it allows you to have people like Pujols, Carpenter and Santana on the same team.

Be sure to let me know where I'm off in the comments, and I'll rerun the numbers.



5 Comments

5 Comments | Leave a comment

Santana...ahhh that has a good ring to it when in the same sentence as the Cardinals.

*pop* whoa time to wake up....had this dream about the Cardinals signing Johan Santana and things were very rosy until Big bad George and Ornery Omar came into my dream and stole my pitcher.... what a nightmare!

We can't offer enough I am afraid to pay him what he is going to receive. Sorry to burst your bubble but it is your dream and you can end it anyway you wish.

I agree, if it comes to a bidding war, the Cardinals aren't going to be able to come close to the New York teams.

However, if we can get him in here and then offer him an extension at market rates (not counting on the famed discount), maybe you lock him up before he gets there.

I think the pitching rotation would be amazing once Carp returns. The only problem I see is that is a pretty anemic-looking offense, especially if Juan is unable to return (which looks to be a possible scenario) and Rolen is unable to return to form (another possible scenario). Ankiel and Ryan are no sure bets either. I hate to sound like Debbie-downer, but just giving my own opinion, a lot of things have to go right for a.) this deal to happen, and b.) the move to be able to pay off in the short run.

Chris Duncan, Bryan Anderson, Anthony Reyes, and Jaime Garcia would seem like a competitive offer to me. It would need to happen in the off-season and you would need to have a verbal agreement with Santana for his 8/160 deal or whatever he would want. The middle infield absolutely has to be upgraded too.

Agreed, the offense would need some work. You'd have to spend some money to get a free agent outfielder. But if Rolen bounces back to even 75%, couple him with Pujols and free agent OF guy and you'd probably be able to get to league-average, which would be all you'd need.

And if Ankiel is for real and Ryan can hold his own.....

So many question marks, so many ifs.... isn't that how we got in trouble this season? Walt's got a heck of a job on his hands this winter.

Leave a comment





Cardinals_MediumRectangle.jpg

UCB_11_trans_dark_sm.png

Search

 

You can also hear Conversations With C70, along with other great podcasts, at Baseball Podcasts.net.

BallHyped Best Sports Blogs Book
This blog was featured in the Best Sports Blogs of 2010 Book! (As well as the 2012 version!)
Pick up the limited print edition
Free Best Sports Blogs ebook 



United Cardinal Bloggers

FRIENDS OF THE UCB


Some Guy Named Robb--The Music of Conversations With C70 (coming soon!)

Check out the UCB Network over at LockerDome!
lockerdome-share_63x63.png
  


Other Cardinal Blogs

Recommended Cardinal Forum

Other Cardinal Sites

General Baseball Blogs/Sites

Get a Cardinal theme for your browser!

Cardinals banner.jpeg


Heroes
Carlos Beltran (6)
Yadier Molina (5)
Matt Holliday (4)
Jon Jay (4)
Matt Carpenter (3)
Daniel Descalso (3)
Jaime Garcia (3)
Pete Kozma (3)
Shelby Miller (3)
Adam Wainwright (3)
Allen Craig (2)
Lance Lynn (2)
Tyler Lyons (2)
Edward Mujica (2)
Jake Westbrook (2)
David Freese (1)
Joe Kelly (1)
Seth Maness (1)
Trevor Rosenthal (1)
Michael Wacha (1)
Ty Wigginton (1)

2012 Top Hero: Matt Holliday (17)
2011 Top Hero: Lance Berkman (24)
2010 Top Heroes: Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols (24)
2009 Top Hero: Albert Pujols (28)
2008 Top Hero: Albert Pujols (25)

Goats
Jon Jay (6)
David Freese (5)
Mitchell Boggs (4)
Joe Kelly (4)
Pete Kozma (4)
Matt Carpenter (3)
Allen Craig (3)
Daniel Descalso (3)
Jaime Garcia (3)
Yadier Molina (3)
Matt Adams (2)
Carlos Beltran (2)
Matt Carpenter (2)
Matt Holliday (2)
Lance Lynn (2)
Seth Maness (1)
Shane Robinson (1)
Fernando Salas (1)
Adam Wainwright (1)
Jake Westbrook (1)

2012 Top Goat: Rafael Furcal (11)
2011 Top Goat: Ryan Theriot (12)
2010 Top Goat: Brendan Ryan (14)
2009 Top Goats: Rick Ankiel and Todd Wellemeyer (13)
2008 Top Goat: Troy Glaus (13)

Cardinal Nation Approval Ratings (March 2013)
Yadier Molina 96.2% (up 8.8%)
Chris Carpenter 89.8% (down 0.3%)
Derrick Goold 89.1% (up 6.3%)
Matt Holliday 88.4% (up 0.9%)
Allen Craig 88.3%
Adam Wainwright 88.2% (down 3.7%)
Jose Oquendo 87.1% (up 2.4%)
Jason Motte 86.9%
John Mozeliak 86.5% (up 1.1%)
United Cardinal Bloggers 85.2% (up 6.3%)
Bill DeWitt 85.1% (up 5.3%)
Mike Shannon 85.1% (down 0.2%)
John Rooney 84.5% (up 3.0%)
Mike Matheny 84.4% (up 3.3%)
David Freese 82.9% (down 2.6%)
Jon Jay 81.8% (up 10.7%)
Lance Berkman 80.6% (down 8.0%)
Jenifer Langosch 79.5%
Lance Lynn 79.5%
Dan McLaughlin 76.0% (up 8.0%)
Jim Hayes 73.0% (up 1.1%)
Ricky Horton 65.5% (down 2.0%)
Jaime Garcia 64.1%
Albert Pujols 59.2% (up 4.3%)
Ballpark Village 58.3%
Joe Strauss 54.3% (down 13.4%)

2012
Tony La Russa 88.2% (up 17.4%)
Mark McGwire 82.6% (up 20.1%)
Skip Schumaker 73.3% (up 9.2%)
B.J. Rains 69.5% (down 0.9%)
Kyle Lohse 68.9% (up 13.8%)
Al Hrabosky 66.4% (up 3.2%)
Colby Rasmus 46.5% (down 35.3%)

2011
Dave Duncan 87.9% (up 0.9%)
Matthew Leach 85.5%
Pop Warner 76.7%
Ryan Franklin 72.8% (up 3.1%)
John Vuch 68.9%
Jeff Luhnow 66.4%
Dan Lozano 58.7%

2009
Rick Ankiel 83.9%
Chris Duncan 69.1%


Looking for St. Louis Cardinals Tickets?  TicketCity is your source for New York Yankees Tickets and World Series Tickets.

Looking for Cardinals tickets? Stop by OnlineSeats. We’ve got Blues seats and even Rams games. Go to the coasts as well and catch a Celtics game or get Dodgers tickets.

Referrals