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One Last Poke of the Hot Stove

Posted on January 31, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Filed Under: St. Louis Cardinals | United Cardinal Bloggers
First off, thanks to all that read through the UCB blog swap entries yesterday.  To identify the writers, Erik from Play A Hard Nine wrote here, Pip from Fungoes wrote at Cardinal Diaspora, Nick from Pitchers Hit Eighth wrote at La Beisbolista, Ryan from Cardinal Diaspora wrote at Pitchers Hit Eighth, Sara from La Beisbolista wrote at Play A Hard Nine and I wrote over at Fungoes.  Good stuff all the way around (even if no one took a stab at guessing authors!)

Speaking of the United Cardinal Bloggers, we've added a new blog to our ranks.  Redbirds Row just went on-line yesterday but is eagerly looking forward to participating in some of our upcoming projects.  Go over and take a gander at his site.

It seems that the thought of Manny Ramirez, one I laughed off a couple of days ago, has stirred up the coals of the almost-dormant hot stove.  I guess the thought of one of today's greatest hitters being in the lineup with today's greatest hitter does get people dreaming.

I know Albert likes to think that Manny might take a discount to play in St. Louis and he'd love to have his friend on the team, but seriously, how much less would Manny take?  I'm sure that the allure of playing with Pujols would be helpful, but how much?

Say, for just wild speculation, you could get either Manny or Ben Sheets for $8 million a year.  Where do you spend the money?  Because, obviously, the Cardinals aren't going to be getting both.  (The Cardinals aren't going to be getting either, but stay with me for the purposes of filling up blog space.)

I could see the argument that, if you sign Manny, you could move two outfielders, say Rick Ankiel and Skip Schumaker, and get back the pitcher that you need instead of signing Sheets.  What would those two bring, though, especially since the Cardinals already need to deal without Manny?  Teams would know that the Cards were in a corner and needing to deal, which might lessen what the outfielders could bring back.

Besides the fact that, if Manny would come down to those levels, you don't think a team like the Mets would offer him $11 or $12 million?  I just can't imagine he'd love the one-paper atmosophere enough to pass up on a few more million.  Couple that with his questionable defense (granted, we will have that anyway if Chris Duncan is out there) and it's a tough stretch of the imagination to even discuss it.

I'd love for John Mozeliak to be doing this kind of outside-the-box thinking, but I still think I'd rather have Sheets to shore up the pitching staff.  That's the current need and should be the higher priority right now.  Anything else is really a heat-enduced dream from standing too close to the hot stove.


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I wasn't confident in my guesses enough to even post them, with good reason as the only one I got right was PHE.

It is fun to think about a lineup with Pujols and Manny batting back to back, but I agree Pitching should be the priority.

I agree. I like Manny for what he brings offensively, but it wouldn't make sense to send away better defensive players and increase our payroll by that much just for a few extra home runs. Especially when that's not where the biggest need is.

I loved your post yesterday on fungoes! (Actually, I thought all the posts were great!)
Re: the bullpen--it might also be interesting to look at how the performance of the 'pen related to how many innings they were asked to pitch.

I could probably add that to the analysis. Something to think about for next time!

I think the hot stove has certainly been made more interesting by recent rumors and an anxious cards fanbase. I wonder if mannys agent - he of the arod series announment and manny being absent escopades - is playing pujols by having manny call his friend, knowing el hombre would feed this news grabbing quote and generate the idea of a bid war. What if it's just been dodgers dodgers dodgers and boras needs a mystery team. dodger town loved manny last year (I live in socal), but they aren't ponying up so far. Maybe even the smallest concern of a boras bid war will get them to seal a lucrative deal?

I sort of think we sign manny and then trade him. Yeah trade him to either dodgers or yanks or whoever. Package in Adam Kennedy and minor of so you can pull manny late in the game and get some prospects, a new 2b and a hot young pitcher. Hughes, cano?

Oh yeah and used saved Kennedy money to help sign sheets. We need to take that risk with one year plus option built on incentives.

I think there are restrictions on trading signed players. There's a reason you don't see a team resign a player and then ship him off. I think it's six months from when they sign, but I'm not sure.

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